Ep. 12: Are police too sensitive when they take issue with anthem protests?

Tuesday, September 5th

In this episode of "Two Outs," Alex Reimer and Steve Buckley spar over the Cleveland Police's station to pull out of the Browns' Week 1 flag demonstration. Alex says the police are being sensitive snowflakes, whereas Buck argues it's hypocrtical to support players who make statements during the national anthem and not the police. As gay men, Alex and Buck also talk about whether they've ever considered protesting the national anthem. 


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I love the way some can be icy when unit aliens some some of them. I on so there's a lot to look forward to this there's an eight by. I don't give mrs. interest. So I didn't see it at Gloucester with the patriots either except week one recording Martellus Bennett. At their fists in the air guy I think the main story and once again entering its policies and is the national at the protests did not and on topic that will be big storyline we won. But absent from the patriots chiefs game tonight dollars and achieved says made demonstration during the anthem and no one on the patriots hasn't pre season I'd say that he ties. I think it's easy to get it wrapped up in our. Broke you'll stories here in England and forget about what's going on stuff that's going on outside and yeah this weekend bock in Cleveland a huge story where the Cleveland Wii's. The Cleveland police. And not going to take part in a week one national ant the demonstration because it is. Twelve members of the browns Neil during the them a couple of weeks ago was a big story and I think there's a lot of angles that we can go. With the first question being is an ironic your protest in the hand them by protesting. Well you give me irritate. That that that you take Vegas in and so your your against the pleased that the speakers think it's critical or. Give me a take because I I I haven't come back and set it up with Hewitt. Well other street statement first and Steve Loomis is the president they couldn't police patrol association just just just a few lines of just ignorant for someone to do that you'll during the anthem. It just defies logic to meet the fact that management was aware of what they planned on doing that is offensive as a can get I would say I don't think that mr. Loomis. Know that there protest set the valve rounds tenants and afterwards you want take the opportunity with his teammates during the hand them to rate for our country. And also draw attention the fact we have work to do not this top and of course the week after Charlotte's bills so what is so offensive about that people taking time. To acknowledge that we still have stuff to work as a country. Well what's what's on offense and that's a correct now to give our audience some background here we discuss this last. When I was gonna get tickets. Please out of podcasts and expect light to sleaze that have served or salaried employee you know Dexter Davis I didn't do it for the one. Do polite as the way. And we explain it all the formulas that make perfect sense in remarks that we will have a big hug today and agree completely that. We do that. Yes we. Now he is weird logic got in the way of me agreeing with that's. And tricky Faxon dropped graphical some great line in his career now. Look at the foundation. Of the entire. Not EU I assume are in favor you support those who would yield during the National Anthem on constitutional grounds of course. Ounce as the life I mean that's and and and you happen to know. That I have a soft spot for like World War II memorial to war battlefields and so forth. Man I can't ride bias signed into some guys won't work too well wanna you know who signed his name those stories every year I screwed yet says that you know. We are conjured history you made your point. And I fully support. One's decision not as important as we all we all okay so EE if you have that foundation. In this discussion having right now if if the if the cement foundation discussion is that we support somebody's right. Not to stamp National Anthem or to act in some way of protest. It does you know taking the riots in IIOK. So the airport ago. Ergo. We must support the Cleveland les. Based on the foundation of why it now that I started out and and this is now back tees up because I airport which you cannot escape. I never said he didn't support there. Said of course. I just disagree their reasoning. Their reasoning it's foolish at best it's a different way of saying you disagree or don't like your eyes people it's not. You need to make this point this is important witness news. Does get around as I support right to the not to steam and I agree with wired on right what I stated support their right. It reasoning is so either we or you don't. I don't support the reasoning that support the right means you don't support in its dividend property people who don't Neil at all. It was. It's I just think their reasoning is on full support their right and assailants were there right. Reasoning is well it's out so what what if somebody says I support happening right. It's just not. Appoint. You. They disagree with that well what went wrong or if races let's remember I think that's it's lost property to. Bring it to we experts African American communities. Surreal thing it happens it's backed by statistics. What Clinton police are doing it they're not they're not take part at the protest and Bach because they're dealings work. It's all different and it is still. Winning it in the if you like. Thinking eateries. And Europe. So again the logic now. We're getting what I I I gave you cement on the new agreed commitment. Of course you'd like and then. Go through. Destroy that on your little round. Hole that's this week. Off we appointments at just support one national protest all the art you can agree or disagree with their stand but we must support there right. Not to hold the right and Italy and told what you warrant the fact though. That regard you buy you let. Them be effective argument. Because you disagree with what you're saying you don't want. That's what you think is ultimately what they're saying but I'm not going to sit on the right I think you should be a disappointment cleaver. But do you think that their reasoning. I don't know point agree with that and and you'd agree you agree meaty it's. Not being or. I mean look let's not the first time this happened at least in Minnesota last year than settling WNBA team. Wearing shirts maybe her son. The read shirts that made it right but today. Watch out from games and this Easter protesters security mean some sensitive Wii Sports. You know it happened the same arm and steal as well minutes. When you're what you're a little a little inch respected in the spot. Yes I'd be a little in perspective and that's it doesn't seem like they couldn't we sent to your. Doesn't seem on and respected by but again eat eat if you separate all of the arguments. And you go back to the constitution. Speaks met on and talking. They they have that I don't supports these weaknesses. And question not that we use to. That we can address in some sense on the it plays into the sport human life. And plays I have you ever considered. Doing sort of form. Mean myself you years no box and I am I have been involved in its path. Pride pride marches it was there was an aide mark forty charged when he boxed him and why. Well we've. And that it was an age much. Weight. That sounds a roller dramatic happened to be. Like literally happening outside now. You know deep clause that they. Like Tip O'Neill congressmen and that's the buck on. It was an opportunity to participate. With without without ball that makes it's it's. It's just as the anthem goes. Enough but the Georgian cohesion in the red white blue and all that it is and again I fully support. I find it admirable but some people oh flag burning thing. Really a couple of people that that's the right behind countries based on the right. Beats its way. I've been like. And if it would it would about it. Ever seen anybody stay. In. Now there is guys last week to them anyway. Agreement from and he writes for Montreal back. Believe that. He famously does not stand. Your late eighties. When. You seem when they played. He'd easily computers. Moments. He doesn't view back line and acting. So real quick so in this. Does. Of people out. Because. Oh Terry poured into it like there early and a half men and I'm on that line. It's axles and I always stand for them and you know it's never crossed my mind you know he's been persecuted in this country. Equal rights struggle continues that has never. Cross my mind political players in but it's just never it's never occurred to me. But I also don't. You'd be in any particular reference I'd just I'd stand. Paul stands at least in with a small measure that but you know our habits here. The EU if you. Not stand them something that. Did not stand. Out. If you do not stand the nationally in them because some grievance with the country youth strength in the you know in the nationally them to him. Wore out that the you know. Week. That is. Interest and and as some good stuff out what if you'd just. Don't stand guests don't. Particularly. Like that that's why you care for the country. Like you can be apathetic about the practice at Stanford and like I am going to east and on instilled air about him what they'll examine it when you read about attitude Tynes like being apathetic about the anthem doesn't. Necessarily. Guys you're out that it's that would sitting dowdy to have a better view whenever standing correct at a. How do you tied to a to get the Arctic it's possible to not again be adamant reverence might still be politically active and care about the country. Patriotic. I think by. Large person who. Wouldn't stand the National Anthem out of apathy would interest. Is somebody who's not reading deep into the newspapers in in forming thoughts yes why it it would if you just viewed as a song he sang the song. The it is hard to visit because because not to sound like. A trumped by a deplorable but it's not just that's what to you that he bombs bursting in here it's war it's. We've batter wars over there so don't fight as the this man once this is an entirely different argument. And it does podcasts if it suits them well but. Since I was in the sixth rate. I have believed that the National Anthem should be America beautiful. And not the stars bank which by the way parcels on missing. And if you if you sit and read the words to it sometime it's really not a very clever sought by the letter of four different. Verses. And dissolved all second person there it goes on forever view article reads them I think it should be Hank Williams team. Singh needed off them you know ways to eat it's a matter time Torre it's named that from capitol. But this is that is godless America which which indicated in the separation church and state. It's. If you know history of gutless as a written written by Irving Berlin around World War I. And it didn't get put in place with achieve very jingle it's. The it was a lot of weight that's killed of people make them but the bigger. And there were a couple lines that it really didn't stand up so it it became what they call the trunks just and it's around and I used it here and there. But he reintroduced it in the late thirties. When you're real crossroads award too and Kate's met saying it on radio program. And is now in those days they used to pull on the show twice went to the East Coast audience with the West Coast it. And it went over so bay. For the East Coast it's Irving Berlin left his department to go down the studio to watch dancing at the West Coast audience because he or use the 101000 dollars. And that's how important that's on and became its its eight it's better written. More beautiful song in the star spangled banner safe for the so you have the separation church and state and maybe we're not song was known never Neil. Maybe known every meal to switch the National Anthem when you say it again it's an entirely for argument that we didn't sit well are you can't them now I was prepared and it's now and I apologize that that's a cavity Cuba to tell all the history stories it's good that you're living up to the rapist. On out bachelor's and sting you know that you might need even you it's never occurred to you to Mueller do demonstrations. It has never hurts me now and in fact that's that's actually a true statement would I consider. It's not like I have ever in my life. It should not Percival in the press box it would resonate a tie it let's the other tomorrow night. At Fenway Park in the sentenced as an about the past. That spot that would be a place you'd just be taking well see here's the thing that we can read about it in the mechanics now because you should do. Be a protest and sports they are protesting for gay rights in this country that allowed under attack from this company ministries is or doc got the odds are showing solidarity with the dreamers and in the community every. Yes I'm telling you this could be a second wind for at the pot casket publicity right. I'm telling you I want you to take you need. Patriots opener is the runners tonight is his problem you can take a knee in the field yes in you have room to actually please shoot me. You you opened the pocket but it whining about not going to offend them because of the middle Steve Mills and how does one taken means that middle seat without pulling over into the seat on non tuchman in the past oxygen. Nobody would care. Someone would notice what's on the guy next to meat eating examines the guy in front of me is tweeting the guy behind me is the phone as editors say haven't appointments. 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