The most up-to-date content on the planet
this just in
 RSS
WEEI » This Just In » Gammons on M&M: Tito 'really beaten up'
Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:30pm  

Gammons on M&M: Tito 'really beaten up'

Hall of Fame baseball writer Peter Gammons joined Mut & Merloni Wednesday morning to discuss the Red Sox' possibilities for their next manager, where Theo Epstein will be next season, and his take on Terry Francona's departure.

"I think it was very difficult on Terry," Gammons said of Boston's late-season struggles. "Did it get out of control to some degree? Yeah I guess so. I think he has been portrayed too much as this guy who was cowering in a corner. ... He had been really beaten up. We've talked about it here, we've kidded about it, the tenures of managers in Boston should be judged in dog years. So at the end of 56 years of managing the Red Sox, he needed to move on."

Francona decided to walk away on Friday after much speculation that he would be pushed out by the front office after the September collapse. Gammons said that he believes Francona knew he was out no matter what he did.

"I had a strong implication that ownership was not going to pick up the option no matter what," Gammons said. "Now, when Theo on Thursday talked to Terry and said, 'OK, we want to go in and make your case on how we move forward.' At that point, I think Terry was convinced no matter what he did or said, they weren't going to pick up the option. And I don't think Terry Francona's the type of person who is going to go in and beg for anything, and he shouldn't have to, not with his history."

Following are more highlights from the conversation.

On if Epstein will move to the Cubs or stick with Boston: "I can understand the excitement of being the first guy to bring a world championship to both the Red Sox and the Cubs. It's an exciting proposition. ... I think they say [to the Cubs], 'Go ahead and talk to him.' And then we'll see how it works out. Knowing how rational John Henry is, I think that's a distinct possibility. It's, OK, you can talk to him, but can they offer him more, can they offer him something better than whatever they structured here? One thing that's happened here, that I'm told by a number of people, one thing that's evolved in the last couple of months is that the relationship between Theo and Larry Lucchino has gotten much better. That leads me to believe that it can get worked out better."

On potential compensation the Red Sox might seek from the Cubs if Epstein leaves, including whether the Cubs could be asked to take John Lackey: "No [on Lackey]. I think that unless they're going to do a John Lackey-Carlos Zambrano deal, but I don't think that would happen. I think they would probably go, end up giving up a couple of really good prospects, especially if they're pitchers, because that's something that the Red Sox could really use right now. I think that's the most likely scenario. It's been said many times that [the Red Sox in 2002] actually had agreed to trade Kevin Youkilis for Billy Beane, but that's actually not true. I was going back over this the other day. It was really weird, because Billy was actually negotiating with Paul DePodesta, who was going to take over Billy's job in Oakland. So Billy was acting as the Red Sox general manager and DePodesta was acting as the A's general manager, even though neither one of them was already in his position. And, in the end, he explained, Billy said to Paul, 'Look, there are only three players here at that time in the organization -- Kevin Youkilis, Hanley Ramirez and Kelly Shoppach. I can't give you one of the three real assets in the organization. And if you hold out for it long enough, then you're not going to get the general manager's job. So we have to work it out so we all get what we want.' As it worked out, Billy made the decision to stay closer to his family. He believes it was a life-changing decision not to come to Boston."

On the Red Sox' managerial search: "I was told that their list is pretty close to 40 at some point. You look at it and you say, 'Well, that's the only way to go about it.' You're going through every single name for a week. They don't need to have a manager for a month. ... There aren't guys out there that you're going to say, 'OK, this guy is perfect.' Because you are not going to get those guys.

"Eric Wedge isn't leaving Seattle because he has so much power there and he moved his family there. I think he'd be terrific [in Boston] ... but I don't see that happening, I don't think Seattle would let him go. I think [Don] Mattingly would be a great person here. Someone suggest if they pay Frank McCourt's October MasterCard bill then maybe he'd give him up, but I don't think the Dodgers can let Mattingly go, especially after he stabilized the entire franchise midseason. I see names that make a lot of sense, but the question is, could they come in and deal with this high-priced, high-profile, high-ego team. To me, you need a guy who is really good with pitching and really good with presence.

"When you move forward, to the next manager, you have to think about this: One of the things that happens in baseball is that they don't pay or empower coaches enough. I don't think it should be the manager's job to clean out everything. I look at Arizona and what Kirk Gibson's done, and nobody's going to mess with Kirk Gibson, but on the other hand, you've got Don Baylor and Alan Trammell and Charles Nagy, he's got unbelievable coaches. And they're all paid."

To hear the interview, go to the Mut & Merloni audio on demand page. For more Red Sox news, visit the team page at weei.com/redsox.




Audio On Demand

Mike Reiss with Dale, Hol…

Mike Reiss with Dale, Holley and Thornton

Dale, Michael and Jerry dig into the details of this draft for the Patriots with ESPN's Mike Reiss.

NFL SUNDAY with Mike Giardi and Chris Price -- Roger Goodell is maddening! -- 5-1-16

Giardi and Price discuss the Tom Brady appeal getting overturned and Roger Goodell's victory tour. The guys can't believe the victory lap and some of his behavior. The more you listen to him, the more frustrating his behavior becomes.

NFL SUNDAY with Mike Giardi and Chris Price -- A look at the AFC East post NFL Draft -- 5-1-16

Giardi and Price break down how the teams in the AFC East altered their futures after the NFL Draft weekend.

Danny Ainge, Celtics Gene…

Danny Ainge, Celtics General Manager and President of Basketball joins OMF, 6-24-16

Danny Ainge joins Glenn and Christian to explain the Celtics draft process; and he also discusses the trade rumors that permeated the night.

NBA Draft Show with Mut and Minihane Pt. 3

Mut is flying solo the last hour, but he's giving reaction and analysis as the Celtics draft a power forward out of France by the name of Guerschon Yabusele and getting some early grades for the Celtics

NBA Draft Show with Mut and Minihane Pt. 2

Mut and Kirk are talking more about the Celtics pick of Jaylen Brown and can't seem to find anyone who thinks it's a good pick or can make a case for why the Celtics took him third overall.

Xander Bogaerts Player of…

Xander Bogaerts Player of the Game Interview

Joe, Tim, and Lou talk with Red Sox shortstop Xander Bogaerts after his walk-off RBI single propelled the Red Sox past the White Sox 8-7.

Red Sox Review with Mut, 6-22-16

Mut recaps the Red Sox 8-6 loss to the White Sox.

Red Sox Review with Mut, 6-20-16

Mut recaps the Sox 3-1 loss in the series opener against the White Sox.

SUNDAY SKATE with DJ Bean…

SUNDAY SKATE with DJ Bean and Pete Blackburn -- A look toward the future for the Bruins -- 4-17-16

DJ and Pete continue to assess the season that was for the Bruins and look toward the future for the franchise and how they can improve.

SUNDAY SKATE with WEEI's DJ Bean and Uproxx's Pete Blackburn -- They got what they wanted...Claude Julien is staying in Boston -- 4-17-16

DJ and Pete are together for the final Sunday Skate of the season. They get into their overall thoughts on the season, the Bruins keeping Claude Julien on as head coach and the end-of-season press conferences last week. They discuss the rebuild process, what the Bruins need and how they can obtain it. Plenty of callers have their own theories and opinions on all of these topics as well.

Butch Stearns with DJ Bean and Pete Blackburn -- The season is officially over for the Bruins; where do we go from here? -- 4-10-16

Butch is joined by two-thirds of the Sunday Skate show in DJ and Pete. The guys discuss the problems with Bruins including leadership and grit, who should stay and who should go and if Claude is to blame.

D&C - Gary vs. Mut 6-24-1…

D&C - Gary vs. Mut 6-24-16

Who would you like to see in Dino's chair, Gary or Mut?

D&C - O.J. Simpson 6-24-16

The debate heats up as the discussion turns towards O.J. Simpson

Headlines, Headlines, Headlines - Gary talks erotica, Sinead O'Connor, UK vote on EU 6-24-16

On a Friday edition of Headlines, Gary presents us with some thrilling erotica talk.

Danny Ainge, Celtics Gene…

Danny Ainge, Celtics General Manager and President of Basketball operations joins OMF, 6-24-16

Danny Ainge joins Glenn and Christian to explain the Celtics draft process; and he also discusses the trade rumors that permeated the night.

Jackie MacMullen, ESPN joins OMF to dissect the Celtics Draft, 6-24-16

Jackie MacMullen talks about Jaylen Brown, the Celtics thought process, and what may happen in Free Agency.

C's Draft Fireworks seem more like candles, 6-24-16

Glenn and Christian discuss last night's underwhelming draft by the Celtics

Post-draft: What is the C…

Post-draft: What is the Celtics grand plan for the future of this team?

Dale Holley and Thornton talk NBA draft.

Dale and Holley's Final Drive 06-24-16

Dale and Holley's Final Drive 06-24-16

Laroy Streat's Freestyle Friday via the Dale & Holley Show

Laroy Streat comes back at it again! Talking the Celtics Draft and his take on the Celtics 3rd Draft pick. Catch Laroy every friday with the Dale & Holley Show 5:45- 6PM.

Ep. 20: Jan Volk

Ep. 20: Jan Volk

Former Celtics General Manager Jan Volk joins Kirk Minihane for a discussion that any Celtics fan will love. Kirk and Jan talk about the legendary 85/86 Celtics and how the team was constructed and of course the decision to draft Len Bias and his tragic death.

Ep. 19: John Tomase

Kirk Minihane sits down with John Tomase to talk about the current political landscape, John's desire to write about social issues, and of course Spygate is discussed.

Ep. 18: Artie Lange

Kirk Minihane is joined by one of his radio heroes, Artie Lange. They discuss everything from Artie's comedy career, his time with Howard Stern, his issues with drugs and prostitutes, and the comedy show to benefit slain Officer Ronald Tarentino Jr.

SoccerCast - Messi puts a…

SoccerCast - Messi puts an end to U.S. fun & EURO 2016 update, 6-23-16

Ben, Russ & Alex recap the 4-0 loss the USMNT suffered to Argentina in the COPA America Centenario semifinal. Then they catch up with the EURO's, and recap if their predicted winners are still in the tournament.

Enough About Me - Ep. 20: Jan Volk

Former Celtics General Manager Jan Volk joins Kirk Minihane for a discussion that any Celtics fan will love. Kirk and Jan talk about the legendary 85/86 Celtics and how the team was constructed and of course the decision to draft Len Bias and his tragic death.

Teeing Off With Ben and Nick US OPEN RECAP

This week we look back at the US Open.

D&C - Donald Trump goes a…

D&C - Donald Trump goes after Hillary, Hillary reads 'sigh' off the teleprompter 6-23-16

To nobody's surprise, Callahan awards Donald J. Trump the win for Wednesday's best speech as he goes after Hillary

More from this show

D&C - Red Sox reeling and…

D&C - Red Sox reeling and Kirk is not a Dave O'Brien fan 6-23-16

The guys discuss the third straight loss to the White Sox, and then Minihane lashes out at the NESN broadcast including Dave O'Brien not delving deeper into Dennis Eckersley's Albert Belle story

More from this show

D&C - Gerry goes full Fra…

D&C - Gerry goes full Francesa and reads NBA mock drafts 6-23-16

Kirk can't stay awake as Callahan reads one NBA mock draft after another

More from this show

D&C - Celtics draft Jayle…

D&C - Celtics draft Jaylen Brown 6-24-16

Boston Celtics select Jaylen Brown with No. 3 overall pick in the 2016 NBA Draft.

More from this show

Ep. 20: Jan Volk

Ep. 20: Jan Volk

Former Celtics General Manager Jan Volk joins Kirk Minihane for a discussion that any Celtics fan will love. Kirk and Jan talk about the legendary 85/86 Celtics and how the team was constructed and of course the decision to draft Len Bias and his tragic death.

More from this show

News & Analysis