DHK - Was Farrell a "good" manager? Plus the replacement search is on

Dale & Holley with Keefe
Thursday, October 12th

Hour #1 and Holley and Keefe get a bit animated on whether or not John Farrell was a "good" manager or not.   Plus we try and figure out who will replace him.

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And being mocked at openly by my two colas about a name that I dropped on I'm rooting for Hensley to me. He's the guy makes too much says. Speaks five languages. There's never know when you need a manager who speaks poplar Meehan tells the C three PO. Whatever that is speaks Japanese for crying out loud you could use the while ago. Who have been greatly Dice-K and Okajima yes. The trends that are necessary Hensley coaching. Koji. Great I'd David Ortiz is working on FS one for the playoffs and last night was a little weird I mean the whole post in the ninety minute post in the little weird with Alex Rodriguez polishing his yankees World Series ring and all that stuff. But needless to say with the departure of John Farrell David Ortiz was gonna get asked. And he was what kind of manager John Farrell wise. Fine. Sorry line. Well I live in Boston and embossed on the whole talk. Sometimes in the year he was that that was gonna happen you know my million in the big market is a survivor of last that would job so. Finally and go out and and and and you know I pick for John Joan Wilson who might it to me he you know he's keeping them under control and call us. But like I say you know money and it can be in the big market issues heartless not to think that. Good manager remained to me. Kept things he didn't say it was good manager to manager Jimmy kept things under control in the clubhouse and it was easier to keep things under control in the clubhouse. 'cause he had guys like David Ortiz. Who provided you clubhouse leadership I mean it all in all came together at the wrong time for him this year. You know to have. To have the incidents that he had along with the absence of David Ortiz. Along with the playoff performance. In four games and just all crash but he had David Ortiz this this year may were McCadam a little different. Maybe those incidents don't happen. Coming off the field so the Baltimore stock may not happen. Pedroia is kind of does it is not a position assays not me is that these are in position to say I'm the leader hey look I'm standing here. David Price has got to position the team and pull together that stunt. On the plane. Those things can have those things change and then on top all that that's all off the field stuff on the field. May be instead of a 168 home runs now maybe you have 200. Right exactly. Red Sox finished last in the American League in home runs for the first time since 1930. I don't blame the manager for that. That's roster construction. And and under performance from some guys but I don't blame John Ferrell for that part. But I will say that's the one thing we gave John Ferrell credit for all along. We didn't think that managing you know in game managing was the most important part to quote Dave Dombrowski and we didn't think it was necessarily great at that. But we thought he managed the club house. And this nor did an article here I didn't this year I think. And this is where this is where you know I just wanna stick with the Red Sox because they bother me. Red Sox ownership brits are legitimate it bothered me profoundly. Because they keep dancing around the problem hoping to get to the root of the problem. Let part of the issue is the way John Ferrell communicated or did not communicate with these young players that part of it. But you you can't just say hey we had a different guy in here the results would have been different no they would not hat. Chris Gayle what depict better with the master communicators you would not have dropoff Moran's would have gone seven. With a better communicators so deal with the issue. I think I saw your chapter and we got something a while ago he got my attention so does a good job on Twitter. Got my attention he said. A tremendous perspective and contacts from Alex beer alive perilous fired give a link to the story. I read the story yeah I'm and Alex beer fan sure. I didn't think it was tremendous perspective I came away thinking. Oh what a bunch a whiners. Just the players the organization it's a whiny organization and it all starts the top. All you know. These guys are hard on the one of the lines is that part of themselves smoky dresses and moved he had Bogart's in time. Been intending they're hard on themselves. And so the coaching staff. What would would would support of it is not enough income to put the word the reassuring words. Maybe the message is David John Ferrell is not perfect but if you add another manager has come and say look you're 2324. Years old. It's the big leagues here you sit here and give your background. And take. Great you are now that's exactly what you have to do now I don't not the final words no I don't know Michael I think I don't wanna I don't I don't I don't want to admit I don't what has been examining what you had to now. Want my man by the way it is back reveling in front row that's exactly what the good managers in baseball do grew up. Or. About. That's exactly what he saw that era. Obviously we're talking copies your eyes and yes yeah you'll you have to go to a kid like rock field devers was in a one for twenty slump and say hey. Don't worry about this kid you're playing and I believe we knew I trust you here for a reason you've got the talent yet that's exactly what you do. Hard. I think is why does it Deborah socket a bundle it off. Aside look at it let's go back we're gonna gonna put the work and we'll look at some video. To see where you're making your mistakes now that if I is not that you stuck in that that you never play again because obviously that's not true he sat down Ben and sandy. And when he brought him back until I have been attending responded did it worked. For help those that's the trick and that's what separates. Great coaches are great managers from mediocre ones because you can't just treat every guy 1251 way in every guy over 31 way. For example I don't know what the personalities are but from what you hear Bogart's. Somebody that you probably need to encourage all the more copy it yes you do cop. Right or not I guess that's what you do so some players if you get up in their face script Adam and helps them run its players for. Yeah that my hand if you can't input is Roy and maybe maybe he will but if you could the same thing to Bogart's. I shut down on some sort of shut down CF to figure out. Which is which and that's why. By all accounts in the Tora Val O'Connor added. Did a pretty good job and so Ferrell not only lost Lavelle all he lost Ortiz in the same year yet now all that responsibility it felt like was on him. Andy and can handle. It loses those guys and that replacements. Are IDs are Sina who's just he's he's a new guy yet so. If you and the new guys going to be hard for you to have hey I got a great relationship with the value working on its new just madam. So it is going to be tough work bench coach took to fill that role and then instead of David Ortiz as your team leader. You've got take your pick for David Price of Troy networker sale. You know what you have if you don't have a manager who does the things that you don't think they should have to do. You've got Bobby Valentine not exactly that set out with Jay Hernandez did so well that got away and dale. So John Carroll in 2013. I think he was given back room. You eat the Turk yes that's exactly what it was you. Ultimately blocking guys so well I think that it's over definitely ticket. The hell out of the game and a lot of I'm not sure enough to know that I don't I thought we'd stop and some guys bill laughter rattling I don't know that you can't beat you got to treat people the bank in two got to switch it up. Until 2013. He was doing it got to the World Series then he decided he was gonna stop or would he not doing good day all. Yes I think he was telling what's not good. Have to. Happened to whip David Roth and John I don't know something I don't know are there John Lackey David Ortiz and the ball when they brought visual arts are at the end of the season he absolutely had to do what Burnett and it's disingenuous to say if you don't do it that way you're Bobby Valentine is a long way. From the dark road guy to Bobby Valentine there's a lot of ground in between there. What what is your issue with popping up a player who needs. I didn't say no don't don't don't don't don't you call it a background well that sounds were well but well what. And that's exactly what they should do well eat your turn up my dad is. He's not a guy who needs it and he's got a prop them up he's got to go to guy who needs a kick in the ass to limit it to a. Please to what degree which we all agree here but you can't go so far I owed this guy's not make me feel comfortable. You know what you're a professional athletes what went up as they don't need to be coached. And you don't need to be supported. But it's the hum it's a 162 game season. Your checks aren't bouncing it's a professional relationship are certain things are expected to do it if you're not doing the job. I can't sit there and how you all they know what I've got to get to perform better. And I got to figure out a way to do hydrogen before better but it never quite that there are certain things we just can't do. It I can't I can't pick your favorite candy in the ball every time. I can't make sure that's not what we're talking about but you know we've got to auditing about finding the right to get a better performance out of a guy who's struggling. Yes that's what you did that Richard Kate Snow what so and that seems as if that means put your arm around during BP and say hey listen I believe in you you can do this I loved I loved the way you play the game. It is such corporate garbage if you really think about this garbage. It took so he did in 2013. He didn't 2013. He was he's he's making sure everybody supported that's going wise and thirteen they won a World Series. In 2016. Multi bats have a great season gender Bogart's has an all star season then intended comes up and looks like. He's going to be all right and a shorter and a 200 plus the bats whatever was he was okay so John Barrow was doing at thirteen. Did and sixteen and all of a sudden seventeen he didn't know it. And that's why they thought no match. If somebody else to reform. And they're like Torrey Lavelle added sixteen and like the more LaBella is the guy doing that style of the thirteen team you add a lot more. That team felt more turnkey to me. I think and literally anybody could've won but probably pretty close any any. Major League manager caliber like type guy Beckett Beckett do that job that would be completely over that Valentine's I don't know but if somebody else looks at that team to get the performance that they got from. Lesser Ortiz in the post season you know a lot of veteran guys you're only relying on a couple of young guys were is this team's a lot different now it looks good for the future availability of these guys are 125 that's great. But that team. Didn't really have anybody accords 125 on that to. The ball arts the very end of the year. But then a lot of guys late twenties early thirties that just kind of came together as one in and thirteen. Chances are you don't have to go coddled Chris Sale you know it this year enemies probably he's been around long enough B knows what the hell he's the one but Raphael devers you do. Andrew Bennett intending struggling yet you've got to figure out a way to make him perform better what's the the line T that we use with us he'd say. You can't run away from a guy you've got to figure out how to get him performing better but he runaway from our when he was talking at the time it was about to Pedroia knobs are right now who who in his seventeenth season murdered. Ferrell you mean like when you start DeVon mar rural at third base in the second playoff game as a instead of rock field never has a bad decision yeah I ran away from devers and utility infielder and at third base. You're right away from endeavour's end. Game two of the playoffs that he ran away from devers in their in the 2017 regular seat they run away from anybody in this in the season would run away from any young player. My point is when a guy is struggling. Specially young guys who hadn't been here before don't know what Chris Sale knows your job is to help them get the best performance or. Of course of course your your job is to help them get the best performance. And still be able to do your job. As a manager you got to look at everybody you got to look at the entire roster and say. All right how much time can I really devote. To this guy who needs something a little extra may be and this is where. Delegating comes in. I just I don't I don't care who would it take job fair all of it because air out of it because he's not a popular figure here. The next guy I don't want him to go above and beyond. To make sure. A guy who's got maybe the guys are cut maybe guys are comfortable because the manager. Is not doing his job or maybe the player is not doing the job that he needs to do. Yeah I think there's I do think there are soft team. When it comes to big moments. And and John Perelman may be looked out and said I can't come up. I can't babysit these guys they are professionals and other young but didn't have to grow up. And in May it may show. Probably why he's gone. If he felt exactly what you just said that's probably why get fired. Because the president of baseball operations says you know on concern about the development of the young players his quote yesterday right I want the young players to develop. If John Farrell felt the way you just said then Dave says what you gotta tell. And and that's just that was a one Cogent. Quote in Gaza a lot of nay great and awesome but just keep in mind let's keep a score sheet get your notepad. And writing down all the things LB said about the next manager are are things that have been said about every manager who's been hired here the last 25 years. A baseball man Smart brings you together could leader. You can adapt to and a lot of different styles on and on a non. This is what they say it's what they say when these people come and there when they leave you need a guy who can do this better we do that better but ultimately you've got to do you've got to be able to get your team to perform. In the postseason pitcher teams in the regular season whether it's by wild card or division title. And make sure they perform on the lights the lights are brightest all the other stuff and it's really irrelevant. 6177797937. It's dale Hollywood keep Sports Radio WEEI. Ways moaning and Torii they never give you the watch while he fired the next three or four days you gonna get the watts it was gonna write the article is Brad from it was a good communicated in the backing of his team wasn't good in game manager going out the mound on national TV get a pitcher would you not allowed to. A wrong lineup batting out of order which we do in T ball all these things became too much fear and embarrassment the organization you're a hero. The way we're Loney and 4810 get two big days fox Sports Radio W. EI and WEEI dot com I wanted something different to see what I was keeping. Wanted to be around people that challenge. I want to have mentors in my life that I could learn from it. 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Are apple for four or what normal. Side. One. Pop. How. Division title genre stories out there. Opt out with then I mean yeah. I'd want it yeah in the actually boom armed with. Quote a lot of them weren't quote the writing on the wall or lawn in one off. Swap that would want in. On what. Went on wall. All. I. Walton won't vote. On the floor and oh. Well I I think he you get credit for winning the division yes they felt that going forward. They sought to many issues with the young players on this team and and they thought that this was not the manager to help out those young players get better. I think that was it now let's be honest this was this was not a guy who's gonna keep the clubhouse light. It then I'm just comparing him with Tito in this regard in OT it was a funny guy as Michael and knowing you're playing privilege with Pedroia he's joking with Ortiz. I I think John Ferrell was a lot more serious his demeanor around the clubhouse was a lot more serious. You know maybe that's where a guy like Torrey develop came in sold so perfectly because he could be that guy to second in command. Maybe Gary geese are seen as personality is such that now he's not going to be that guy to help keep things light. Not saint can't do a good job. His personalities probably closer to Johns in that regard. Well it but this is why I said. Teams talk like this all the time when the manager les. So Bobby Valentine was it's of so Tito as you pointed out playing privilege with Pedroia and have a good time. But when things went south and I was look at their bad elbow problem hey Brandon he's an hour Pedroia is special treatment with Pedroia you can spin it anyway you want. So he's gone. You bring in a guy who needs a restore order Bobby Valentine he was too crazy he was too impulsive. Senior guy who's going to be a professional and players to respect and that's John Ferrell and John Farrell professional players humorous. Act now I think I play around a bit more coming in on this too serious as you Britney is just. It's it's ongoing all of these guys are connected to the previous guy and eventually you'll wind up with that thing that you hated the first place. Somebody I realized that our sort of prototype of the in the aftermath of Ballantine and an admittedly by the way anybody was going to be an upgrade a fluid but what do you think you were looking for after Valentine were they looking for more of a player's manager after Valentine who lets be honest was a bit dictatorial. Lou there especially the first part where you put the emphasis where I had that too yeah well I would say somebody who would commit stay out of and stay out of the way. Because firfer Bobby was all about him hey look at my drilled when I'm doing with my ultimately mean anything like and they wanted to guy who. Players. Players respected but. It wasn't an eagle mania. Things that are about to unfairly. He he would make himself. Look like a fool just so somebody else could you wanted to be the players always have somebody else treasurer could avoid criticism no question. Carlson Springfield and Carl laid on. It's going to. I thought I'd about how I agree with Ellis a personality cult being stereotype. That out at him go but. Expected are expected it only because that particular person out is what got them fired. Obviously this is happening early on I think it is run and it there are any. What went looking at a people. And you know even our little weekly by playing with John Farrell even when things were going well. Eighteen was exactly coming hey guys how you don't and it's it was always kind of series all the time didn't like a studio. I don't think he did do not like one of us. And now I let Janet I always hitting everything they can do all right they call a but but I don't think his his overall demeanor was a whole lot different. You know in in the in the press conference room. Notice he was now serious sin and you know. There where there was no laughing there was no joking there was no keeping them will like him by the way even when things were going while. Right winning streaks whatever you and at that firm. Yeah I think and that that's why. And in a place like this. You know if you were is coming from. This is better to be yourself because tackle last long anyway right so it was so why why try to pretend sent to be somebody. They nicely again and all the ducks that David Price thing and he think that he had a better chance of keeping his job a beat that price aside over Packers lose. Do you really think that or I think he was right closing price. I guess but to the point that Michael saying it one of the reasons why maybe he acted the way that he did particularly this year is. He's are even though I'm winning I know that I'm not very safe I don't is that a safe job to have. You don't Francona highlighted that yes it is different it's it's different here you can have. You can win the exact same number games it's somewhere else and you could breathe easy to give you extension railway division also may regard you're your heart out for awhile. Whereas here you he probably never really got that. That's unfair Francona said it's crazy. Here to. And Dan Shaughnessy said in this column only embossed citizen only in Boston moment where you can. Finish first three times in five years when it World Series. And be out and Harris and happy valley get fired have people. Applauding like robustly. Applauding is the great this is a great move. Is he right. Is this an only and I would add New York. Boston New York. Didn't Joseph Torre get fired after. They made the playoffs I think they lost to Cleveland. In the divisional round pick it was here today because because I was in 07. I lost to Cleveland. Then the Yankees in an excuse me the Indians and their Red Sox played the LCS and then and then the Red Sox won it. So you know the brown okay division series it won a ton of a World Series. Did the class every single year yours there yet and he got fired a little like failing. Are done they gotta go yeah David's in Connecticut native a. It doesn't look lets you know and taco have been able to do that team. The energy that you guys have actually might have won almost recession and yeah yeah yeah I. What I think as a manager regardless of the job purchased one whatever it is two things you gotta do this imagine if you happen to what you're garbage. Car dealer and he could manage personalities that you have. And Jordan you've been criticized heavily special edition of course wing and then whatever. Well I think the biggest issues one news and game management because. If you're a player when your starter that indeed. You're sitting in what is this can do it like and that is what got one question. The entire time. Subconsciously. It is threatened in question everything in the news I would imagine. That. It would be out there in your energy and you're focused as you can do you know so Carson distracted by it was a big. I don't disagree with your overall point David but I think moreover more overstating how often that happen. It's not like six times a game their own does this idiot doing. Well nobody it was often enough where. I mean I could turn on its vision for an show. It is not hear a lot of people whatever colors or ocean almost question a lot of decisions avenues it was pretty regular. But a lot of them and and look we do that in this town your church can talk show host callers we we second guess the Red Sox manager more than any other coach in in this city we do. But some of the stuff was like at least two it's what we do here. In I. Most of the things that we sat here and criticize port like game changing all beat down that they would want this again that's not unique Farrell the next guy you know whether it's Hensley -- is nice you've written an hour hour and every area however are bam bam to YouTube it'll be you know opening series that you left back in kidney a port soloist sort of it it's startled. It was me practice and now time for Wednesday conversation with Hensley New Orleans. Their van dam I'd like to start this 6177. I will say evidently do just. Yeah Hollywood keeps Sports Radio W yeah I don't know it yet. Previous head coach. She was never really. I. Should have room Monday afternoon would Daylon Hollywood's rich keep its. Musings yeah. Is the whole moment patriots Monday and patriots Friday on the station with the best packs covered Sports Radio nutty sweet voice. Plus did that. 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And I I'm not I don't discuss that hours or five languages and audio Hensley there next what odds are bad then what else the president got Ali manager Hensley picked. Never mind 6177797937. And Japanese on the cell phone hey Anthony. I didn't want let's go and I'd say like that that recollection because I'm happy they've lost is not an obstacle Charl. And I just want to explain because I felt like this guy. Locked into being rehired art while higher as the manager by the team because they are supremely motivated. To just prove that Bobby Valentine was. The root of all day ills like oh we're actually when babies but as Bobby Valentine's oh yeah he was a crappy manager bud. I think fouled out and ride the coattails. And has that kind gentleman who answered the phone pointed out to me he's like don't ticket Austin marathon. Tragedy as well that helped motivate them. So I think the monkey could have managed that team to a title so I'm glad he's gone you know I'd really in Paula got the statement back. IRA and I think there are a lot of people out to her hoop kind of agree with Anthony. We heard from people who were openly rooting for them to lose just so that John John Ferrell would get fired at a lot of people felt that way. And I wanted to who else answering her phones. Those who was going on there who's as nicest guy in general is coming your eyes there are and what did we get a duke is an intern sewing now clearly breaking into the studio and answer phones in new guys are gentlemen now. Don't have any of those on staff now. It's good though add something. There were people I think openly rooting for this team to lose together their work. I literally get that we've had that with the pricing through those that route and specifically against him but that it became a bigger figure Rudy gets the team. I don't know until it goes in the same kind of people of sale item and across the patriots anymore and where they are watched the pitchers. And I think you don't have to do that you know just going back I know it's completely different one it's one is serious and in truly a life threatening situation. And the other one is just a decision that you that you wanna make. But when when you said you know John Carroll Red Sox didn't fire John Farrell because he was sick. By the way I I actually support that that fought to I don't what did you say it's on them they today didn't feel they can do it. I think that be hard to do and I don't know. I do not think though that had they not won the World Series and thirteen. That was indifference he got a manager who won the World Series though he has this hand is fighting cancer though that's it that's a tough daily double to overcome. China now at this idea outside while it absolutely is I then your first move is Dave Dombrowski is your first move they're going to be attached to is that that's tough. Couldn't fire him because he was sick and then now there are previous caller saying I'm rooting for them lose because that they go to the World Series he can't fire him. And what we got to start saying his teams are just realized that to whatever they wanted to. They can do whatever they wanna do so John paragon the World Series and they lose four games to one. Take a fire up its unconventional so like your handcuffed all I can't do it he went to the World Series so now we can't move on from them yet she can't. Can you fired manager and Elvis look different to game seven. Of the of the league championship series if you moved on and it's not good for the franchise you can come up with some spending could you could. He's gonna talk about how you lose in the World Series again how you lost the ALCS was the obvious that you are faster there yeah he almost had. He had a pass to do it but if you're gone through World Series and they lost. And they moved on from him. It can happen at the root for the and other words but through for the Red Sox to lose to get what you want. If he was that bad in and it turns out fan to Dave Dombrowski agree with you. But it would if that is you guys to browse you thought it was as bad as you guys. But if they didn't make the playoffs. Last year in sixteen. He's gone. In three straight years with just last minute I don't get and that's why I think some of those bands come up that they enrolled them to lose because of what happened last year they won. And he's here they want enough and it brought back in so they thought this year they they pretty whenever they. Easily could have they they easily could have fired back after the sixteenth season sweep. 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